The following is an interview with journalist Michael Grunwald about his new book, We Are Eating the Earth: The Race to Fix Our Food System and Save Our Climate. You can listen to the audio right here, or get it wherever you get your podcasts — just search for The Cross Section and subscribe. A transcript is also below.

TRANSCRIPT:

Paul Waldman: When you think about the sources of climate change, you probably think about power plants burning coal and natural gas, or cars and trucks with internal combustion engines spewing greenhouse gases out of their tailpipes. What you probably think less about is the production of the food we all eat. Well, my guest today is Michael Grunwald, a journalist who spent years writing about politics for the Washington Post and Politico and other publications, and then a few years ago, he began to focus his reporting on climate change. His new book, which is going to be released in a few days (available for pre-order now) is We Are Eating the Earth: The Race to Fix Our Food System and Save Our Climate. Mike, thank you so much for joining me.

Michael Grunwald: It’s great to be with you, Paul.